Few things get me going like the feeling my man (or one of my children) is being targeted, and that’s the very thing that prompted me to take a minute to post today. Secret Agent Man is a big boy and can take care of himself but he didn’t pledge his life, name, and the whole of his worldly posessions to a woman who won’t have his back.
Apparently, there is an online revival of the old 1950′s scare tactic claiming that pure, demure white women are under siege from black men who are busily stalking out and raping as many of these angelic creatures as they possibly can.
I first saw this piece at The Thinking Housewife and restrained myself from commenting. Thankfully, I didn’t have to because the wonderful Alte at Traditional Catholicism has done a better job than I ever could have fleshing out the historical realities here. Alte is black, but if memory serves me correctly, her husband is white. I offered that bit of intel to make clear that she doesn’t have the same axe to grind here as me. In fact, her overall point isn’t about race at all but about how a feminist society, where the word of any woman is accepted as truth when weighed against the word of any man regardless of his race, has gotten us to the place we are today, where every man is presumed guilty simply because he is accused. She writes here:
In revenge for crimes that were not being committed, white men increased the incidence and brutality of black women’s rape and abuse, and started arresting and executing (or just skipping the pretense, and lynching) black men in large numbers. Hundreds of black men died that way, and many still do, to promote the cause of White Womanhood.This is the same ideology that feminists and social conservatives utilize, in order to enforce unjust laws (such as VAWA or modern rape laws) protecting white women from facing the consequences of their own bad taste in men and their sluttish behavior. The reason? Many white men see black men when they hear the word “rape”, just as European men see Muslim men. These “other men” (read: male interlopers) are the monsters who come at night to rape their Pure White Women, so all legal chicanery and trickery is allowed in order to punish this heinous crime.The law has been repeatedly bent and twisted in order to allow the convictions of such men on the most flimsy evidence, or even with a complete lack of evidence. That white women, at their political peak, would start using such laws against white men themselves, is a given. That is what happens when you feed corruption and debase truth; it comes back at you eventually.
This is the comment I left on her piece:
You, friend have stirred a hornet’s nest. And I’m going to fan the flames by linking to it at the top of my blog today. I saw the piece at The Thinking Housewife and despite the fact that I know my husband is a good and honorable man, I couldn’t help but feel anger rise up in me on his behalf.His grandmother, incidentally has skin so fair and hair so fine she could’ve passed for white in her day. So did her mother, and the family has acknowledged that this was because of the very thing you wrote about here.
I would never attempt to brush away the realities of disproportionate crime rates among young black men, but this notion of “pure” white women being under siege from black men is a load of garbage. The white women (and there have been more than 1 or 2) that hit on my husband surely didn’t get the memo that their safety and virtue are on the line simply because he exists!
Read her entire piece here. As I said above, I am not one for denying reality and I know there is a serious crime problem in the black community. But these problems are a direct result of cultural and family breakdown, and the sin nature we are all born with not some kind of inherent racial defect as was implied in the first piece I linked to.
Was there a defect in white men during the time when it was common for them to sexually assault black women?
I did a bit of research some time ago when I first heard this theory espoused. Still, I cannot claim any level of in-depth knowledge on the subject. I do know that I live with, raise a family with, love, and care for a black man who is an excellent human being. I was raised by a black man who is an equally exceptional human being. It is virtually impossible for me NOT to take such a thing personally.
There are various spiritual questions this subject raises but I am not prepared to get into that today. Maybe I’ll give it some more mental energy at a later date.
I need to go get my Bible and some egg nog or something. Get my Christmas cheer back.
After writing this post this morning in a huff, I suddenly feel a desire to delete it. But I won’t. What I will do is clarify a bit of my meaning, particularly to my white sisters in Christ.
My point here is that none of us is better than any one else. The historical assertion that white women are under constant threat from “dangerous” black men because they are inherently more desireable and feminine than black women rubs me the wrong way. That is why I posted this. Not to attack white women, but to stand up for men like my husband.
Incidentally, I think Alte’s reference to “white women” is more of assent to the reality that the feminism movement that has left all men vulnerable to injustice was spearheaded and championed by middle class white women, while black women were still fighting with their men for basic human rights.
That the people who posted the original posts prompting this one call themselves Christian just adds fuel to my anger. If I offended any of you, I apologize but the truth is often quite ugly and ignoring it isn’t my style. If this is your last time reading this blog, I’ll miss you.
Terry, you are the last person who I’d believe would speak to this subject in an ignorant manner. I must assume good intentions. I have not posted a comment because I am absolutely fuming and am writing you an email.
Crime doesn’t have colour. We shouldn’t blame all race or nation for some crime, we should blame a person or persons who did that. Pure white women?! Blah.
I used to have a few “kinists” visit my site, and suffice it to say that logic and evidence was not their strong point. As the Germans say, “Dumm bleibt dumm, da helfen keine Pillen.” (dumb is dumb, no pill can help) Rebuke, yes, but pray for these guys. There is a spirit about them, and it’s not the Holy one.
And regarding Mr. Breathing Grace, suffice it to say that what I’ve seen here indicates that he’s got a ready defender in many ways against allegations of that type. And sometimes she blogs about it, too!
Bike Bubba – I’ve never heard the term “kinist” before. Thanks a lot, now I’m wandering around the internet reading up on that philosophy and I’m supposed to be sewing Christmas presents.
I’m not sure they’d like me and my marriage very much…
I’d like to talk about Rahab. Rahab was not a Hebrew, yet she is counted in the lineage of Jesus. What about Ruth. Ruth was not a Hebrew, but she is counted in the lineage of Jesus, too. How do you explain them away? Ruth specifically said to Naomi in Ruth 1:16 “Don’t urge me to leave you or to turn back from you. Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God.” Apparently God didn’t have an issue with Ruth’s race.
Is this off-topic? Should I have posted this on a different blog or thread?
You’re good, Joanna,
. Not off topic at all. I want to respond to something you mentioned in your email for the benefit of everyone who’ll read this post.
When I sarcastically used the phrasing about white women as demure and angelic creatures I was using that as a reference to the mindset that prevailed back in the 40′s and 50′s when black men were routinely hung from trees for daring to even make eye contact with a white woman.
In no way was I implying that most people today feel that way or espouse such a view in the era of “Girls Gine Wild”, lol.
Was there a defect in white men during the time when it was common for them to sexually assault black women?
Bingo. There are still black women who like to claim that white men are a bunch of rapists, and I criticize them, as well. It’s wrong either way. Furthermore, it is unconstructive and a distraction from the larger traditionalist goals.
Incidentally, I think Alte’s reference to “white women” is more of assent to the reality that the feminism that has left all men vulnerable to injustice was spearheaded and championed by middle class white women, while black women were still fighting with their men for basic human rights.
Yes, exactly. Although we must also say that many modern black women are feminists now, unfortunately.
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The stats for young black men raping women of any race are certainly disproportionate enough to be very troubling to any honest person looking at them. However, I am not convinced that the “biological causes” cited by Laura are the real cause there. Those things might explain some of the major influences on black promiscuity today, but I suspect that the transition from that into a rape culture among a subset of black men is entirely cultural. I’d say that that has more to do with racial grievance mongering than some inner chemical imbalance that causes them to rape.
White nationalist types don’t really acknowledge that traditionally, whites are about as aggressive as blacks are reputed today. There is not a single European nationality that isn’t “famous” for its violent temper, except maybe England (theirs was a reputation for violence with a genteel, stiff upper lip). I mean seriously, look at Ireland and Italy…
@ Mike:
The stats for young black men raping women of any race are certainly disproportionate enough to be very troubling to any honest person looking at them.
I agree with you 100%. There is a problem that needs to be addressed. If Mrs. Wood had stopped right there, I would have very little problemwith what she posted, no matter how uncomfortable it may have made me feel.
However, her assertion that this is caused by some type of biological defect in black men (and how can a disposition to rape be called anything other than a defect?) is insulting. That she tried to whitewash her statements away with a weak caveat about not ALL black men being rapists does nothing to change her original thesis: Black men are genetically predisposed to rape and are particularly drawn to rape white women.
The bigger question here of course is this one: What is the motivation behind these assertions? What do they do to address a problem? The real motivation is to get as many white women as possible to be afraid of black men’s sexuality and propensity to violence, as she sees it.
The miscegenation horse left the barn decades ago, and it wasn’t black men who flung open the gate. I should make clear that one of the reason this particular blogger irks me is because she claims to be a Christian. There are plenty of people who espouse this garbage and I could care less about them.
If there is one thing I cannot stand, however, is people who try to use the Scriptures and their so-called faith as a justification for views such as this.
I think it is possible that each race does have certain innate differences. I’m comfortable with this fact even though on IQ whites are technically “inferior” to east asians by about 6 average IQ points. I don’t draw my sense of worth or my belief in the worth of others from their IQ.
Assuming her argument for the sake of argument, time preference and IQ would explain why violent tendencies historically tended to appear differently with blacks than whites. If whites have a higher average IQ and longer time preference, then that goes a long way to explain why white violence has so often been at a massive societal level. When African tribes were killing each other in the dozens or hundreds, Europeans were killing each other in the tens of thousands on the battlefield in phalanxes and legions.
We are cut from the same cloth because our ancestry goes back to the same point. It’s naive to pretend that until recently whites didn’t have a very high and open capacity for violence.
“Thankfully, I didn’t have to because the wonderful Alte at Traditional Catholicism has done a better job than I ever could have fleshing out the historical realities here. Alte is black, but if memory serves me correctly, her husband is white.”
Of course, Alte’s article draws what I consider to be the wrong conclusion. Most of us in the Manosphere have highlighted the injustice that men suffer when a woman’s word is the supreme truth in a rape case where the facts are in dispute using the example of the atrocities done to black men in the name of white women. There is literally NO better historical incident to point to from recent times to make our case.
It isn’t something that’s happening all of a sudden, it’s what we’ve been saying all along.
These things didn’t happen because of race, they happened because it was common to kill people based on nothing more than rape allegations in those days.White men were also commonly shot,blinded,hanged, or castrated for the same thing but with nowhere near the frequency of black men, again, not because of racism but because the most common scapegoat in a fake rape scenario was,and STILL IS, a fictitious black man or group of black men, at least for any other ethnicity than African-American. As has been pointed out, among black women, it’s white men who are scapegoated, we saw this with Crystal Gail Mangum.
This is why it is SO important, especially for black men and the women who love them, to support our efforts in EXPOSING women who lie about rape. When the facts are fishy, we in the manosphere need a free hand to advocate on these men’s behalf, people are still only a heartbeat away from degenerating into this savageness and harming men on the same scale we saw when so many black men needlessly lost their lives.
People need to be made aware that women DO lie about rape, for profit, for alibis, or sometimes because there are just sick women out there who think it’s “fun” to watch men die or suffer, the way the white women in those days enjoyed getting black men killed for sport.
Nobody in our corner is supporting Assange because -OMG I just realized WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE FALSELY ACCUSED OF RAPE TOO. We already knew this. We saw what happened with Hofstra, and we were already politically energized in this effort before that happened as well.
No one could dispute the fact that the greatest beneficiaries of our efforts will not even BE white men, but black men, who are convicted of most crimes more than white people,meaning more are FALSELY convicted as well. We want the innocent exonerated, we want the guilty punished, we don’t care what color any of them are.
I don’t support anyone based on the color of their skin,I’ve been ripped off more times by white people than I have by black people and I know a lot more black people. There’s no “white solidarity” here, we just want to see liars get punished for abusing the system and harming real rape victims.
I didn’t exist back in the days when these lynchings were taking place, I would have called for a stop to it then. I was a child 15 years ago or I would have been advocating for black men falsely accused 15 years before now.
The body of knowledge gathered by Men’s Rights Advocates today didn’t exist 25 years ago, or we could have been telling people then that these men needlessly lost their lives not because they were BLACK,but because they were MEN.
There is no better time than NOW to start telling people,and no better method than by holding these lying women up naked to the world for people to see their evil in all its hideousness, so that perhaps they will be so shocked by what they see that they put an end to it, or that the women themselves will be so frightened of suffering the same social ostracization that they would have inflicted on an unassuming man that they will be reluctant to lie.
It sounds harsh,but it is what must be done. We have to wage war on this evil and stamp it out before it claims any more innocent lives.
@ Mike T: For the sake of argument and because I’m not blind, I’ll grant you that there some obvious differences between different races of people. It’s no coincidence that the NBA is largely populated by black players, etc. Point taken. However, I do want to explore this train of thought a little more because twice I have been confronted with a scenario along these lines (this one specifically from The Thinking Housewife herself):
Let’s say that I state that the Irish have a greater inborn tendency than other white subgroups to become alcoholics. Is that insulting to all Irish people? Am I saying that you must view every Irish person as a potential drunk? Obviously, only a minority of Irish people are drunks, but there is a good case for concluding that as a group they possess a higher risk of this particular weakness.
Sounds logical until you peel back the layers. Most people who become alcoholics don’t intend to and don’t want to when they take their first drink. They are responsible for what they do with their addiction once it takes hold, but we must assume no intent to harm themselves or others despite any propensity to alcoholism they may posess.
Do you honestly think we can logically transfer this to a man hiding behind a bush, or breaking into a house, accosting a woman at knifepoint and sexually assaulting her? This requires intent to harm at the outset. Can there be a genetic proensity to this type of behavior that is beyond the control of the perpetrator? If so, can you hold that person responsible for their actions and at what point? Surely we can see that saying a certain group of people has a propensity to alcoholism isn’t the same thing as saying a group of people has a propensity to raping women. It doesn’t add up and I wish people would quit trying to tell me the two are the same thing! It isn’t.
As for the IQ theory that flourishes on the HBD circuit, mine is 130, and I’m fairly certain my husband, a black man, is smarter than me. Or maybe he just posesses more wisdom and common sense which I’d argue is much more valuable. We are awash in educated, immoral fools. Either way, the subject bores me. Given the way education is done in this country, there is no way we’ll ever be able to realize the potential lying dormant in alomst anyone who goes through the system regardless of race.
@Your name here:
Thanks for commenting. My readers can attest to the fact that I am a defender of men and I speak out here against the injustices that men are suffering on a greater level every day. One of the reasons I do it is because I want Christian women who appreciate men and their God-given masculinity to wake up to what is happening. I’m trying to do whatever small part I can and hope to continue to do so.
You’re comment is balanced and right on a number of points. Thank you for adding your voice to the discussion.
Was there a defect in white men during the time when it was common for them to sexually assault black women
no, in fact it was thought to be perfectly normal. white men needed to expunge their lust and white women where to pure and good to have to suffer the indignity of such horrible treatment. Blk women on the other hand were fine, we were beasts of burdened and overly sexual creatures by nature.
rape is a tool of war and it angers me how people in these parts play around with it.
mike There is not a single European nationality that isn’t “famous” for its violent temper,
Yea, the English did some horrible horrible things to the Irish and Scottish.
Mike T:
There is not a single European nationality that isn’t “famous” for its violent temper, except maybe England
I don’t know that this is necessarily true. For instance, the Germans are known for their awkward, stiff, humorless demeanors rather than for angry passion. Of course, history has shown what they are capable of…
Terry, good for you! I think your response was perfect, and I hope you are enjoying your egg nog!
I think I’ll chime in for a minute, though. First, I firmly believe that the reason that crime is so high among young, black men is entirely a cultural thing rather than a biological thing. If it were biological, it would have been true across generations. It is not. It is largely a phenomenon of the last forty years, exactly when fatherhood in the black community started to evaporate.
So let’s not label things biological that are cultural.
But back up even farther: what if it were biological? What if the Irish, for instance, did have a predilection for alcoholism? What if they discover a gene that means that people are more inclined to become gay? What if they discover parts of people’s DNA which makes us more prone to violence, or lying, or impulsiveness?
WHO CARES?!? It’s still sin! Saying that it is biological does not excuse anything; it is still sin, and therefore people still have a responsibility before God to deal with it. Therefore, those who use biological or genetic factors to EXCUSE sin are making just as grievous an error as those who label something cultural as biological. In both cases, we are trying to escape the logical consequences of sin.
When we blame others for sin, saying that in their case it’s biological (as this woman was doing saying that black men are predisposed to raping white women), we usually do so as a way to feel better about ourselves–we are not as sinful. None of that is true.
On the other hand, when we ourselves claim the biological excuse, we similarly are trying to excuse sin.
You can’t get away from it. Sin is sin. Whether it’s biological or not, it’s sin. So the debate about biology I find kind of silly. The solution to all sin is spiritual, and depends upon the culture once again putting itself at Jesus’ feet. Let’s stop trying to blame others for sin or find reasons for our own sin, and just remind ourselves that all of us, all races, all cultures, all ages, need Jesus.
Slightly off topic question; I have been told that in some neighborhoods in the inner city, it is a decidedly bad idea to make eye contact. If true, would it perchance have anything to do with what our gracious hostess notes about the tragedies of earlier history? (i.e. Jim Crow “you looked at my woman!” nonsense leading to looking someone in the eyes being interpreted as a threat?)
(yes, I’m ignorant here, but trying to learn….)
And I hope Joanna forgives me someday for introducing her to the word “kinist” and the nonsense she no doubt saw when learning about that. :^)
Bike Bubba – LOL, I forgive you.
My husband tells me he always met a person’s eye when he was growing up in the inner city. To not make eye contact was to show fear. And that’s the extent of my knowledge there.
It is largely a phenomenon of the last forty years, exactly when fatherhood in the black community started to evaporate.
So let’s not label things biological that are cultural.
Exactly Sheila! Thanks for understanding the point I was trying to make here. And thank you especially for this:
The solution to all sin is spiritual, and depends upon the culture once again putting itself at Jesus’ feet. Let’s stop trying to blame others for sin or find reasons for our own sin, and just remind ourselves that all of us, all races, all cultures, all ages, need Jesus.
This is the crux of the matter. And since you know I have a soapbox, I’ll get on it for a minute.
The high stats of rape and crime among black men only underscore what happens to a culture and a people where the women are the heads of 70% of the families. In addition the high crime rate in general, you have a generation of men with no examples of healthy masculinity, a warped view of manhood (and womanhood), and possibly a deep-seated bitterness toward women. Again, all sin, but we can easily dismiss the notion that it is a biological defect.
Excellent comments Terry and Sheila!!
I enjoy openly discussing such things. People are people and when meeting someone, I evaluate them individually. It is evident that different races have different gifts and different failings. The whole black men as rapists was over the top. I am a white guy but recently have encountered many articualte thinking people, that happen to be black. It causes me to laugh at myself to realize that many of the thinking people I have encountered on the internet and that I hold in high esteem are black. (I grew up in a outstate vanilla Minnesota). I understand Lutifisk suppers better than black culture. (some white people even eat white food!)
Here is a great post: http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2010/12/amelia-affirmative-action-earhart.html
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Forgive me for being so absent from the blog since Selahs birth, Terry,I thinkofyou often and do read posts still sometimes, just dont often have time to respond. Just wanted to say here its times like when I read posts like this that I am so world-weary and I feel sincerely in my heart “Come, Lord Jesus!” One of the cruelest things about this fallen world is the hatred in man’s heart towards his own fellow man and the pain and suffering it causes. I look forward to an eternity in a redeemed existance inthe presence of a saviour who created man in His image, and chose to use a beautiful and varied pallet in so doing.
Hope you had a merry christmas and a happy new year, friend.
Blessings!
Nicole
Hey, Nicole! It has been a while since I’ve heard from you and I’m glad to know you, the Mr., and little Selah are doing well.
I second your thoughts. This type of ignorance does make a believer world-weary, doesn’t it?
Hi,
I’ve never commented before, but I just couldn’t resist commenting on this! I first came across the Thinking Housewife’s blog when she was having the interracial marriage debate I think and since then I occasionally read it when I can stomach it – as I almost always disagree with her vehemently but I’m always up for a good debate.
I agree that it is ridiculous to assert that black males have some sort of biological predisposition towards violence. When you look at the predictors of violence, it seems to me that a child’s cultural surroundings as they grow up would play the greatest role in either pushing them into a stable adult life or a life of crime and violence. Also, from what I’ve learned, a lot of violent criminals were abused as children – which again would not be a biological defect but rather the result of highly dysfunctional home environment.
Finally, I might be wrong about this, but my understanding was that most rapes today are within the same race – thus, it seems like most of the commenters on those other sites have fears that are completely overblown and only serve to fan the flames of racial tension. Also, the incidence of stranger rape is extremely low relative to the incidence of date rate – as a current college senior I can attest that it is far more dangerous to be around a bunch of drunk frat boys than to walk around a residential neighborhood alone at night.
Needless to say, none of this is a biological defect; it all seems to be cultural. And at least at my school, the guys I am most scared of (and statistically as a white female would be most likely to be raped by) are the white males, and they are usually the wealthier males who were raised with a sense of entitlement and a complete lack of respect for women.
Sorry my comment got really long and kind of rambly. My main point was just that this whole idea of the black man as the big scary monster is ridiculous as it seems pretty self evident that it is the cultural upbringing of a child/adolescent that shapes his/her moral values, not the color of his/her skin and that those moral values then determine whether that person turns to violence.