Screwtape on Democracy

C.S. Lewis said it better than I could ever hope to.

Democracy is the word with which you must lead them by the nose. The good work which our philological experts have already done in the corruption of human language makes it unnecessary to warn you that they should never be allowed to give this word a clear and definable meaning. They won’t. It will never occur to them that democracy is properly the name of a political system, even a system of voting, and that this has only the most remote and tenuous connection with what you are trying to sell them. Nor of course must they ever be allowed to raise Aristotle’s question: whether “democratic behaviour” means the behaviour that democracies like or the behaviour that will preserve a democracy. For if they did, it could hardly fail to occur to them that these need not be the same.

You are to use the word purely as an incantation; if you like, purely for its selling power. It is a name they venerate. And of course it is connected with the political ideal that men should be equally treated. You then make a stealthy transition in their minds from this political ideal to a factual belief that all men are equal. Especially the man you are working on. As a result you can use the word democracy to sanction in his thought the most degrading (and also the least enjoyable) of human feelings. You can get him to practise, not only without shame but with a positive glow of self-approval, conduct which, if undefended by the magic word, would be universally derided. The feeling I mean is of course that which prompts a man to say I’m as good as you.

The first and most obvious advantage is that you thus induce him to enthrone at the centre of his life a good, solid, resounding lie. I don’t mean merely that his statement is false in fact, that he is no more equal to everyone he meets in kindness, honesty, and good sense than in height or waist measurement. I mean that he does not believe it himself. No man who says I’m as good as you believes it. He would not say it if he did. The St. Bernard never says it to the toy dog, nor the scholar to the dunce, nor the employable to the bum, nor the pretty woman to the plain. The claim to equality, outside the strictly political field, is made only by those who feel themselves to be in some way inferior. What it expresses is precisely the itching, smarting, writhing awareness of an inferiority which the patient refuses to accept.

And therefore resents. Yes, and therefore resents every kind of superiority in others; denigrates it; wishes its annihilation. Presently he suspects every mere difference of being a claim to superiority. No one must be different from himself in voice, clothes, manners, recreations, choice of food: “Here is someone who speaks English rather more clearly and euphoniously than I — it must be a vile, upstage, la-di-da affectation. Here’s a fellow who says he doesn’t like hot dogs — thinks himself too good for them, no doubt. Here’s a man who hasn’t turned on the jukebox — he’s one of those goddamn highbrows and is doing it to show off. If they were honest-to-God all-right Joes they’d be like me. They’ve no business to be different. It’s undemocratic.

We, in Hell, would welcome the disappearance of democracy in the strict sense of that word, the political arrangement so called. Like all forms of government, it often works to our advantage, but on the whole less often than other forms. And what we must realize is that “democracy” in the diabolical sense (I’m as good as you, Being Like Folks, Togetherness) is the fittest instrument we could possibly have for extirpating political democracies from the face of the earth.


…”What I want to fix your attention on is the vast, overall movement towards the discrediting, and finally the elimination, of every kind of human excellence – moral, cultural, social, or intellectual. And is it not pretty to notice how “democracy” (in the incantatory sense) is now doing for us the work that was once done by the most ancient Dictatorships, and by the same methods? You remember how one of the Greek Dictators (they called them “tyrants” then) sent an envoy to another Dictator to ask his advice about the principles of government. The second Dictator led the envoy into a field of grain, and there he snicked off with his cane the top of every stalk that rose an inch or so above the general level. The moral was plain. Allow no preeminence among your subjects. Let no man live who is wiser or better or more famous or even handsomer than the mass. Cut them all down to a level: all slaves, all ciphers, all nobodies. All equals.* Thus Tyrants could practise, in a sense, “democracy.” But now “democracy” can do the same work without any tyranny other than her own. No one need now go through the field with a cane. The little stalks will now of themselves bite the tops off the big ones. The big ones are beginning to bite off their own in their desire to Be Like Stalks.”

For “democracy” or the “democratic spirit” (diabolical sense) leads to a nation without great men, a nation mainly of subliterates, full of the cocksureness which flattery breeds on ignorance, and quick to snarl or whimper at the first sign of criticism. And that is what Hell wishes every democratic people to be.

That is all.

Congratulations, America.

Next Step, Fiscal Cliffs.

40 thoughts on “Screwtape on Democracy

  1. I’ve been raking through my brain, trying to make sense of how in the world so many Americans can be so blind…

    Lewis did a good job summarizing the problem, I think.

    Perhaps it’s time we left off demanding that God bless America; and get on our knees to beg for His merciful intervention.

  2. The reality Heather, is that America is simply not the nation many conservatives think it is. It has changed, and is going to continue to shift leftward.

    When we went to vote, my husband noted, upon seeing the number of Hispanics at our precinct: “We’re in for 4 more years.” Not because he was being bigoted, but because of the reality of the way groups vote. He would have said the same if the line had been populated by single women, and there was no shortage of them either.

    An e-friend of mine put it this way, and I agree with him:

    South American governments run the gamut from socialist to communist. They [Latinos] continue to vote that way no matter how hellish their own nations become, and they bring their preferences here. There’s no way to reach out to them and change their minds faster than they’re increasing in number, and it’s only natural that they’re going to see themselves in opposition to the native population and want to bring it down a few notches. It’s too late to stop or even slow the flow, and impossible to appeal to them with a non-leftist message.

    The same for single women. They’re a narcissistic, naturally left-wing constituency which doesn’t understand or give a crap about the economy, the health of the culture, or the future of their nonexistent children, and they naturally look to the government to be their surrogate provider and protector.

    Both of these groups are going to continue increase in numbers and Democratic loyalty because of the failing economy. Ironically, the worse off the country gets, the larger the Democrats’ base gets. We’ve reached that fabled critical mass that conservatives have warned about, where the takers (financially, socially, and spiritually) outnumber the makers, and worsening economic conditions only serve to increase the demands of the takers rather than turning a majority of the country against the leftist regime.

    I’ll add to my friends comments that the black vote is also largely moved by things other than reality. Subsidization of illegitimacy, promiscuity, mediocrity, and dysfunction is the order of the day in American politics. The more a candidate promises to give away, the more votes they’ll get.

    The American Conservative did a very good job of noting what the GOP missed. It’s easy to miss when you’re isolated from it For example, we already knew that we lived in an area of our city that was increasingly Latino, but our subdivision is mostly white, we have Christian friends as neighbors, and homeschooling has largely severed us from the public school population.

    So until we actually saw the voters, and many of these people were proudly publicizing their support for the President, we had no idea how much the area had changed.

    And then consider this: Most conservatives were unhappy with Romney as the nominee. Why did we think people less conservative would be any more excited about voting for him?

    Time to pray for strength and mercy going forward.

  3. In other words, C.S. Lewis had it right, way back in 1963. The handwriting was on the wall. It doesn’t matter what the form of government, we always seem to default back to same state. We trade freedom and risk for tyranny and the illusion of security. We realize only too late that freedom and guarantees of security are mutually exclusive principles.

  4. The reality Heather, is that America is simply not the nation many conservatives think it is. It has changed, and is going to continue to shift leftward.

    Yeah. I’ve kind of been resigned to this for a while–having to accept that the changes were well underway before I was even born. Still, I was willing to shove the inner pessimist aside for a bit in hopes that enough people had been sufficiently disturbed by the events which have trailed the previous general election….

    I suppose isolationist tendencies can contribute to a lack of awareness with regard to how left-leaning our citizens have become.
    Although, maybe it shouldn’t be too surprising in light of the numbers of people our age (regardless of race or gender) who have been raised on welfare and processed through the public school system.

    We trade freedom and risk for tyranny and the illusion of security.

    And the people cry “Peace, Peace!” yet there is no peace.

    You’re right, Terry. We all need to be in prayer. For God’s will to be done and for the courage and wisdom to do what is right regardless of the circumstances.

  5. As I was watching the results last night, Bill O’Reilly said something that has stuck with me. He said that our electorate is fundamentally changing and the thing they want is free stuff. So many people have made observations just like that today. I was not excited about Romney. And I wonder how differently I would feel today if he had been elected. Probably not much different, because it’s the people that have to change before our government can change and I have no faith whatsoever that the people are going to miraculously change for the better.

    Here are a few things people have said to me on FB today.

    “The rewards of freedom are always sweet, but its demands are stern, for at its heart is the paradox that the greatest enemy of freedom is freedom. There are several reasons for this, but the deepest concerns a simple moral fact: True freedom requires ordering, and the only ordering appropriate to freedom is self-restraint, yet self-restraint is precisely what freedom invariably undermines when it flourishes. So the most common way to lose freedom is to allow it to slide down into permissiveness and then license.” ~Os Guinness

    “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democ
    racy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    From bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance; From abundance to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage.”

    Alexander Tyler, 1887

    I thought Deuce’s comment was excellent, too.

  6. Those are good quotes, Joanna.
    And this:
    it’s the people that have to change before our government can change

    is spot on.
    Our government simply reflects who we are as a people. It’s sad to see what that reflection looks like, though. 😦

    I don’t want to be able to see myself in that mirror.

  7. I couldn’t support Romney for a reason that some of you may totally disagree with – I think he was very likely to enter a war with Iran (however low key he kept it) and to keep the military presence strong throughout the world. I believe that Dick Cheney and his boys that created what I consider to be a mess in Iraq were, until yesterday, advising Romney. I could never vote for Obama b/c I believe in very small gov’t and his social views are usually opposed to mine, but I do feel that we will most likely stay out of war with Iran and for that, I am grateful.

    All this other stuff is awful, but at least we can fight it on the home front. I can not support our military presence throughout the world creating what I am convinced is an empire in the name of spreading democracy. The crimes against humanity I often read about are rarely covered by American media. But I am convinced that there is much blood on our hands. America has never been faithful to it’s ideals for more than a blink of the eye – always denying some group the very things it propounds. I think the ideal, the documents are all worthy, but with candidates being propped up by corporations and others with big agendas, we will most likely never see another Abraham Lincoln or the like. Americans will care more for their comfort and security – be the threat abroad or at home – than they will for what is right or for the rights of others. The only chance short of a miracle is for a man to under go a conversion in the White House, b/c I can’t imagine a truly great man ever getting elected. We’d better be on our knees!

  8. Being the opportunist that I am, I started the night at a Romney party – because I hoped he would win. But when it became apparent he wouldn’t, I headed over to an Obama party that I knew of, met a sweet young thing who was happy to have turned 18 early enough to vote in this election. I took her home so that I could add to her night of firsts…

    I learned long ago – hope for the best, but always take advantage of the situation. So I’ll continue to take advantage of the situation which is this train-wreck.

  9. I didn’t mean that Dick Cheney was advising, just some of the guys who were with him when they were fabricating the Iraq threat, rather than pursuing the actual one.

  10. @ Byrd:

    My BIL, who doesn’t vote for religious reasons is absolutely convinced that Obama is going to start a war with Iran.

    We shall see what the future holds.

  11. @ DOC:

    Thanks for your interest in my little blog. For future reference, I write from a Christian perspective. I’m not really into the whole “enjoy the decline” thing.

  12. We will… We can’t exactly stop the labor (And I do want Him to come and take us home). These are just the birth pangs.

  13. The amount of racism in some of these comments is startling, and with all due respect is precisely why the Republican/conservative brand is being successfully demonized by the left as the vanguard of fascist, ignorant old whitey. Elspeth your husband was not bigoted to guess that a large latino turnout this time would mean victory for Obama, but the assumption that voting left is somehow hard-wired into the hispanic brain is not only racist, its wrong. Republicans have garnered large chunks of the hispanic vote in the past, and the Cuban american demographic has traditionally been particularly conservative (in reaction to the leftist dictatorship they escaped from) but the ignorance displayed here is that the right has championed some of the most inhumane and racist legislation and attitudes in the past few years with regard to immigration and immigrants. Ive lived in largely hispanic communities growing up, places like Yuma AZ, and many of my friends and neighbors were more conservative than my family. But how are you going to side with a party that champions you, as a third-generation American, getting pulled over and asked for paperwork to prove you are legally in a country that you were born in and so was your grandfather? Who is not going to be disgusted with a party who’s spoke person used charming erms like “self-deportation” and seems completely out of the touch with the reality that while illegal immigration is most certainly a problem in the US, we would not be able to lhave the standard of living we do as middle class Americans without the hard and low-paying work of immigrant workers, legal and illegal alike.

    There is so much arrogance, self-righteousness, and old-fashioned racism that goes along with the kind of words that Bill O’Reilly uttered the other night. He is right, the demographics of the US are changing and the white male vote is not going to work for the Republican party to get elected anymore. But this kind of thinking being displayed here is the exact thing that is going to drive the republican party and the conservative brand even more into the margins, not make its case to the American electorate. And to someone who is not a democrat and not a liberal, but refused to buy into this sort of “people with dark skin want stuff while we white folks are just so self-reliant and are the REAL Americans” mentality, I will continue to have no one to vote for.

  14. I’m at a loss at the racist comments you see here. Maybe I need to go back and read? The only one who brought race into the equation is me!

    Yes, Cubans are a bit more conservative a demographic compared to most Hispanics. That doesn’t change the fact that 70% of Hispanics vote Democrat as is their right.

    Please understand that I did not approach this election with a heavy investment in the outcome. I understood that the chances of an Obama victory were pretty good but I also understood that if Romney won, it didn’t mean that all was right with the world, far from it.

    As for the arrogance, self-righteousness, and old-fashioned racism that came fro O’Reilly and company, I have no opinion because I haven’t been following any of it. I will say this:

    The notion that the Hispanic vote skewed left because of the heartless immigration policy of the GOP is the biggest misconception of this whole election. The Hispanic vote went leftward for the same reason as every other vote that went left: because the Democrat party is the party of free stuff and social liberalism.

    Ignoring the law of the land on behalf of any group, writing policy that gives goodies to any group on the basis of gender, race or sexual orientation is bad policy. It may be good politics, but it’s bad policy and this country is headed into a moral cesspool and over a fiscal cliff precisely because of a misguided sense of “empathy” and “compassion” that has bred a people who feel more than think.

    That is my opinion of course, and like I said, I haven’t been listening to the talking heads because I’ve no faith in any on the left or right. The right just happens to make more sense than the left more often than not.

  15. So you dont think its racist to say that the Latino population voted for Obama because they “want stuff” but that the majority of white voters did not vote for Obama meaning, what… they they do not want stuff? Do you not see the inherent racism in a comment like that? Ive known a lot of people in my day from across the racial spectrum, one of the benefits of being brought of a military kid and living all over our great country, and the only folks Ive known to abuse the welfare system and have an attitude of entitlement from the government happened to be white people. This notion that the main reason that the Hispanic and other minority votes all went ot be Obama simply because they want freebies and handouts is not only missing a lot of the political nuance that makes people vote the way they do, but again, it is racist! Otherwise, you’re implying that white people are not greedy, do not expect to be entitled (need I bring up the white folks with the “keep your government hands off my medicare” signs at the tea party rallies?) and that is why they just have the good old fashioned intelligence and wherewithal to vote for the Republican candidate.

    I just dont see how you cant see the inherent racism in such thinking. It is one thing to say that liberals have a larger sense of entitlement when it comes to government and how it spends its money, but to say that te majority of the Latino vote went that way, or the Black vote for that matter, is because they are racially determined to be more greedy or lazy (which is the implication if you “want stuff” for free) is racist. Plain and simple.. it really doesnt get any more plain than that.

    And the draconian immigration policies absolutely DID affect the Latino vote, Elspeth… just listen to many of the voices that were raised on that very subject during this campaign.

  16. Um…nobody said anything racist here. I absolutely HATE IT when people who don’t know me from Adam call me racist. And that’s all I have to say about that.

  17. I didnt call you racist, Joanna.. I didnt mention anyones name. I said some of the comments being mentioned were racist. And they are. If you (and I dont know if you do, noto sure what you said or what context, etc), really believe that an entire race of people will vote one way or another because they “want stuff” more than another race, and this is by their genetic make up, that is classic racism at its finest. I was not addressing you with my comments but if you believe what I just typed above, then that is racist thinking.

    And with that I will probably bow out of this conversation. Elspeth my respect for you as a woman of faith has no end, and I am sure that your comments and thinking here are not intentionally racist in a malicious way, or many any one elses, but I find this kind of thinking rather dangerous and very upsetting and its best I dont take part in the conversation anymore lest I become overly zealous and say things I regret in anger. In fact I actually had come back to erase my first comment but then you responded, and there I went. I love you dearly, wish you and all your commenters well, but I do stick by what I said. God bless you all.

  18. No OFHW: What I said was that most people who voted left voted because of either free stuff or social liberalism. That is what I said. Keep in mind that there is absolutely no way that the president could have won re-election without a satisfactory percentage of white votes. And those folks? Yep, they voted for the free stuff, too. The near 70% advantage among single [white] women voted for free stuff, too. Free birth control, student loan forgiveness, etc.

    Clearly it’s not because of their genetic makeup, since I and many other black people I know (including Joanna’s husband) are not liberals. But the truth is that most blacks, Latinos, and single women vote leftist because they believe that the government can offer a measure of security or a more level playing field or free stuff. Is it the use of the words “free stuff” that is bugging you? It’s simply the truth, but it’s not at all about genetic makeup, it’s about culture.

    You keep saying that I’m singling out the Latinos. The media did that, not me. I’m simply pointing out that the reasons they give for the plurality of the Latino vote going left has little to do with immigration policy. In fact (and I’ll need to go dig up the links) the immigration policy issue was about 3rd or 4th on the list of priorities when Latino’s were asked about why they voted Democrat.

    Ans since when are facts racist? If I say, “The reason that the black family is in shambles and the black community is dysfunctional is because 70% of black babies are born and raised in fatherless homes.” Am I racist? Or am I only allowed to say it because I’m black, even though it’s a fact that is not in dispute among anyone but the most deluded?

  19. I think what we are largely experiencing is a reaping of the horrors sown in previous generations. I pray I in no way offend anyone as I try and be honest, but this subject is such a complicated one. I have always favored pretty open borders (criminals kept out and such). I figure my family wasn’t the original settlers, so who am I to say who can come and who has to go. But, I do think different cultures have different strongholds in general. I’m not supporting what was said about the Latino vote. Most Latinos I’ve known have been hard workers. I’m just saying that at times I think it’s okay to somewhat generalize when there is an element of truth. I certainly do it w/in my own culture and have formed some opinions about others, which I mostly keep to myself.

    It seems to me that much of the dysfunction of the black families of this generation stems from enslavement, mortgage schemes, and offenses like the Scottsboro trial and separate but equal. We dreamed up a phantom scary black man and have now actually reaped a few. Have I offended anyone yet, or am I making sense?

  20. You mean well Byrd, but I am not prepared to pass the buck on what has become of black society off on the evil oppressors of years gone by. We did this. I’m speaking as a member of the black race of course, not taking personal responsibility for acts I have not engaged in. Let me give you some stats:

    What about the decline of the black family? In 1960, only 28 percent of black females between the ages of 15 and 44 were never married. Today, it’s 56 percent. In 1940, the illegitimacy rate among blacks was 19 percent, in 1960, 22 percent, and today, it’s 70 percent. Some argue that the state of the black family is the result of the legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty. That has to be nonsense. A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters of black families were nuclear families, comprised of two parents and children. In New York City in 1925, 85 percent of kin-related black households had two parents. In fact, according to Herbert Gutman in “The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925,” “Five in six children under the age of 6 lived with both parents.” Therefore, if one argues that what we see today is a result of a legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty, what’s the explanation for stronger black families at a time much closer to slavery — a time of much greater discrimination and of much greater poverty? I think that a good part of the answer is there were no welfare and Great Society programs.

    That was written by black political columnist Walter Williams, You can find the entire article here.

  21. I didn’t mean to imply that it was all the white man’s fault. That in itself would be condescending. But forbidding marriage (I realize unions were established anyway), separating families by selling members, raping the women, impregnating them with their masters’ children, inflicting further poverty under the sharecropper system, and prohibiting the education of slaves seem like factors that would ravage the nuclear Black family. The initial stats mentioned are far better than now, but they were not what they “ought” to be and the reason was definitely heavily impacted by White sin. I think I tear up at least once a lesson during our history studies at home. It is all so far from what it ought to be. It’s overwhelming.

  22. Elspeth,

    This is completely unrelated, but I’ve often thought that when the kids are a little older, we’d offer free tutoring at our library. Should that be taken up and should anyone who seeks it be African American and need help in reading, we would need resources of quality literature for various ages that would encourage reading and interest an inner city black kid. My curriculum (Ambleside Online) and my own back ground tend to be heavily European and white American sources. We’ve read some great picture books (my kids are young) like “Uncle Jed’s Barbershop” and “The Freedom Quilt” if my memory serves me correctly. But I’d love some more diverse selections both for my kids and for the future.

  23. My mother in the 1960’s got pregnant by 3 men and had 4 babies .I was gven away for adoption. My sisters were raised on welfare all their lives, After working to never get on welfare themselves….they now in middle age have started the cry for being given things , they are sick of working…one stretched her unemployment to the utmost limit…rich people are “stealing” their money….everything has to be made”fair”… As the twig is bent so grows the tree….My adopted parents grew up POOR.. dirt floor , going hungry poor, never got a dime in their lives they didn’t work for… they eventually worked their way into the middle class, as my brother and I did also …..we never thought the government owed us a dime …our kids are raised this way also….my sisters young adult children question why they should work? they have found a use for money however ..they are now covering themselves with tattoos and piercings .We are all white

  24. The exchange with regard to racism is interesting. As I am white, and live in a predominately “white” area, I’m not going to try to comment in depth on the black vs white issue. But Elspeth said something that gave me pause…

    You mean well Byrd, but I am not prepared to pass the buck on what has become of black society off on the evil oppressors of years gone by.

    It is notable that the “race” issue in the US tends to limit discussion to black (and sometimes Hispanic) and “white”. We focus a lot on how white people mistreated blacks in a shameful period of our nation’s history; and some use this as an excuse to hold grudges today.

    I appreciate the ability to recognize previously committed evil for what it is and still be able to acknowledge that each of us is not held accountable for what someone of our race did years ago, but for the way we choose individually to live today.

    On a side note, one of the most horrific human rights abuses that has occurred in our nation has been toward the Native American demographic. I rarely have heard anyone bemoan the ongoing hurt that has been inflicted on these people, and yet have been told that the racial divide is much wider than that of the black/white communities. Unlike Byrd, I’m not willing to label the problem “white sin” simply because such evils are practiced around the world by members of all “races”–even on those who happen to be the same color/nationality. It’s sin, pure and simple. Race, religious differences etc are just the excuses people use to put into practice the evil which resides in the human heart.

  25. I had a feeling I shouldn’t comment on something that is so hard to explain and can’t possibly put into the right words. I in no way am trying to take all sin on the shoulders of my own race, I am in no way trying to excuse any people group for their own sins, nor do I think I am to blame for the sins of generations past. I do think it is very complicated and I do know that there is a thing called generational sin that can be broken in Christ. I also happen to mourn over the grievous sins against the native tribes, which is why I said that there has never been a significant amount of time that we have actually practiced all that we promote in this nation. It is extremely eye opening to dialogue with tribal members about the colonization of this land (I got to do this in Mass.) and it is extremely convicting…which is why I have such a hard time supporting Israel as they displace so many Palestinians…but I digress.

    My main point was just that I do think that there are often particular proclivities w/in various groups. That while we have to be wary of stereotypes, generalizations are at times useful as long as we are careful and they are accurate. Otherwise, we can’t really analyze anything. I guess I’m just saying I generalize sometimes (hopefully based on fact) and use it as a tool.

    This is such a sensitive topic, but things are so loud in my head I long to have these discussions. I want to be challenged and I want light shed on any darkness. But if I don’t revisit the sins of the past, I do fear I will fail to see my own blind spots. I don’t think I’m better than those that came before, so I have always used history to understand where we come from, where we are headed, and where mankind tends to fail – both intentionally and unintentionally. It is so hard to live the Christian life free of our culture. But looking at the past and seeing how various groups have interpreted and exercised their faith helps me break free from at least a little of my blindness. Does this make any sense?

  26. I also meant to say that when writing, I’m probably speaking to more than just this post. While the Romney campaign was not extremely vitriolic, some of the commentators on articles popular with his supporters are absolutely disgraceful. The comments on the likes of Drudge report make me ashamed to agree with them on anything. Granted, there are some scathing things coming from the liberal side, but the hate that seethes toward our President and his wife and others is hair-raising. I try to read a broad news base (Drudge to Al Jazeera and lots in between). There is a lot of hate coming from the right wing these days and it’s a scary thing. I have to agree that hateful attitudes will lose a lot of people in the middle – even if it’s not coming directly from Romney.

  27. Byrd,

    I am fully aware of the focus on the black criminality that has seemingly riveted the alternative right media. On the one hand, it saddens me to know that there are many people who read this blog and whom I have built a rapport over the years, that will see my hardworking, faithful, charitable husband and think, “I’d better be on guard from this potential threat.”

    On the other hand, I have to agree with Thomas Sowell that the mainstream media ignited this fire on the right by choosing to sweep newsworthy stories of black mob violence against whites under the rug.

    I also agree with you that this is much more complex than we want to believe it is. That it is far more than black=bad stupid criminal, white =good, intelligent and hard working. And yes, I am fully aware that this is the argument being presented on some sites. I’ve read them, too. I think you would enjoy Alte’s recent posts on race issues. She is very balanced and holds all sides’ feet to the fire for their parts in where we are:

    The posts are short. She’s quite good at making an excellent point with few words. Sorry we don’t allow comment threads on TC. They were just too long and too much trouble for a bunch of housewives to deal with, LOL.

    Nevertheless, no matter what my knee-jerk reaction is to any of that as a black woman, the truth is that the black community is in the mess that it is in of its own doing. And even if it were not so (but it is our own doing), what good does it do young black men and women to harp on that? How does that move things forward? How does it start to repair the damage in the community, rebuild families, improve education, bring back marriage?

    And if white society is so evil and corrupt, why on earth would we look to them to fix it?

    For those reading along, please read carefully before responding. Thank you.

  28. I’ll check out Alte’s posts! I agree dwelling on the past to justify present state is errant and useless. I just want to shake the vocal critics on the like of Drudge for not taking the log out of their eyes. Obviously, my opinions there would be casting pearls before swine, so I just exit. Like all things, only Christ is the answer and outside of that, there are so many ways to mar God’s design for marriage, church, community, etc. That’s why, as we all know, His is the only standard to emulate.

  29. Among all the nations, only those with strong ties to ye olde British Empire are giving up their independence. The rest of the world’s knuckleheads never had it and never wanted it. It’s not a black thing, or a brown thing, or even an intelligence thing–it’s a non-British-culture thing. Europe is full of freedom-hating whites.

    That being said: Not many blacks and browns in America are trying to act like free-born Brits. That’s because they’re not only racist, but racist on an ideological scale. It is my long-considered opinion that most American minorities hate freedom because they think freedom is white, and that it’s better to be a colored slave than a free white. Many American whites–long convinced and ashamed of the inherency of white nerdiness–are glad to trade free for cool.

    OFHW: Who do you think you’re fooling?Your intent is not to enlighten, but to shut people you don’t agree with up–especially those of whom you suspect of being pale.

  30. Among all the nations, only those with strong ties to ye olde British Empire are giving up their independence. The rest of the world’s knuckleheads never had it and never wanted it. It’s not a black thing, or a brown thing, or even an intelligence thing–it’s a non-British-culture thing. Europe is full of freedom-hating whites.

    I agree. Europe is an excellent example. Could it just be that liberty is too much for the average human being to bear for very long?

  31. We just have to look at the Jews after Moses led them out of freedom whining for the good old days in Egypt. It is impossible for those once enslaved to live truly free. The Christian walk as Christ intended is positively scary and impossible in the flesh. We will always enslave ourselves to something. Radical rejection of the world – without possessions, a place to lay one’s head, only the clothes on your back like Christ sent out His disciples is something I can’t really imagine any of my professing friends (or myself) truly doing for a lifetime. Well, at least I don’t have to feel guilty about it since I AM a woman and my place in in the home. Right Cane?

  32. When we went to vote, my husband noted, upon seeing the number of Hispanics at our precinct: “We’re in for 4 more years.” Not because he was being bigoted, but because of the reality of the way groups vote. He would have said the same if the line had been populated by single women, and there was no shortage of them either.

    Elspeth, I wanted to back up and look at what you said earlier. The reason being that we got really sidetracked by the “minority-racism discussion, but pretty much ignored the single (or liberal) woman angle. This morning, someone on Facebook (yeah, I’m a guilty user) linked to a short video clip which supposedly gives a peek at the reasoning of an average single female Obama supporter.

    While I understand that
    1. this is only a handful of women who were interviewed
    2. the clip could have been edited in any number of ways in order to skew the viewer’s perception
    3. not every Obama supporter holds to such a narrow decision making base as the featured women
    4. there is also a small percentage of Romney supporters who basically cited the economy as their primary reason they voted for him

    …it got me thinking about a discussion I had a while back with a dear friend of mine who said she believes women do not need to be voting–but since the right has been granted us, she uses her “voice” to support her husband’s choices. This woman is a thinker and is not “oppressed” in any way. But, she recognizes how fickle women can be, I think, and also respects the God-given male responsibility to lead–whether it be families, the Church or society at large.

    I tend to agree with my friend. Even intelligent, career-minded women do not necessarily need to have individualized voting capabilities. Married women don’t need to be disrespecting their husbands’ intellectual capabilities by disagreeing at the ballot box…and young, unmarried women who are still living at home should be respectful of the “patriarch’s” views.

    While it may not seem “fair” for an unmarried, independent adult woman to have no say in the direction our society takes, it also is hard to ignore that such women who have been raised in an increasingly leftist environment have less inclination to get married (thus dis-allowing them to have a say via spousal influence)–and are more and more concerned with “women’s rights” and social programs that support the “I don’t need a man (or children)” mentality.

    Hopefully, this comment isn’t too convoluted. I was just thinking how this particular facet of democratic doings meshes with your examination of the role of unmarried adult daughters; and, I’d be interested to hear whether you believe the single woman vote (without regard to race) has been particularly devastating to the political landscape. If so, what would you suggest be done about it?

  33. No, you’re absolutely right Heather. The single women’s vote was as instrumental if not more, than the minority vote.

    I too hate that we got sidetracked by race because the original comment where I raised the issue did give weight to the female voting angle. Alas, Americans seem to be perpetually race obsessed and therefore the convoluted votes of the single female went ignored even though I did mention it.

  34. Radical rejection of the world – without possessions, a place to lay one’s head, only the clothes on your back like Christ sent out His disciples is something I can’t really imagine any of my professing friends (or myself) truly doing for a lifetime.

    Nor were we all meant to. The Disciples were special people.

    Well, at least I don’t have to feel guilty about it since I AM a woman and my place in in the home. Right Cane?

    Every man, woman, and child needs to submit themselves to their proper earthly authorities.

    But yes, Byrd5: Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed.

  35. I believe the single female vote had a huge impact on this election. I think Twitchy is pretty cool so I followed it a lot throughout the election and these two threads right here are very telling.

    Emotion-driven, social-loving females are the majority vote in this country and that is why Barack Obama is still in the White House. But YAY! At least we have tampons and birth control. Because after the zombie apocalypse, those are going to be really important.

  36. LOL, Jo. I’m glad you and Heather brought the issue of the female vote front and center because that was really the big story here. The media zeroed in on the Latino vote, so I commented on the impact of that constituency. It was in the front of my thinking also because I was able to see it right there in my own community.

    I kind of hate that we went so far off the rails with regard to race, because a majority of women were sincerely and stupidly convinced that their “rights” were in jeopardy. Crazy stuff, but they came out in force for Obama and I think they made the difference, along with a good many senior citizens also.

    Additionally there are some reports that as many as 3 million GOP registered voters chose to sit this one out. This wasn’t about minorities. It was about the changing nature of our democratic republic and the increase in the number of people inclined to vote for their entitlements.

    The two-party system is broken, really.

  37. “It was about the changing nature of our democratic republic and the increase in the number of people inclined to vote for their entitlements.”

    That says it all. Our whole system is broken, and I have no idea how you’d even begin to go about fixing it.

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